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Old Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum Post 01-15-2017, 10:06 AM   #21
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I've seen quite a few online that were sumo'd up. I thought they looked really good. I wouldn't mind having a 600 or 65O sumo'd, not sure I'd spend the effort on the 400 unless I never rode outside of town.

Spent three hours and 2qts of fluid trying to bleed the front brake yesterday. Never lever, no pressure, no air bubbles- nothing. Weird. Decided to give the ziptie trick a go, so headed out in a few to see if that performed any miracles while I slept.
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Old Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum Post 01-15-2017, 11:06 AM   #22
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What is the zip tie trick supposed to do? Force fluid into dry spaces?


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Old Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum Post 01-15-2017, 11:31 AM   #23
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Supposed to let any trapped air float to the top by leaving the mc open. I have used a few times when I had a soft lever and it worked pretty good.


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I've never tried it myself but i knew there were tons of people that do it, i just didnt know the reason why it worked or what itwas doing exactly


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Old Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum Post 01-15-2017, 12:43 PM   #25
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Yep, air floats up is the idea I heard. Makes sense, I guess, but no luck here.

It's odd. I can open the bleeder and pump solid streams of fluid all day, but zero pressure. The pistons in the caliper move when I pump and you can see the brake line pulse, but nothing. I don't get it. I know there's air in there. The system was bone dry and zero air came out. First time I've ever had problems with this, but it's also the first time I've owned a tiny 10mm bore MC,too. It doesn't move much fluid.

Gonna ride the trusty Kawi over to HF and check out their vacuum dealios. I've heard good things about them.
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They make life a lot easier. That's who I got mine through. Just gotta watch the reservoir or it'll run out on you


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Zip tie trick is to compress the air bubbles in the system to a smaller size and allow them through the connections in the system. When not under pressure they can be large enough to fit the entire diameter of the hose and then be under capillary forces as well as surface tension forces with not enough buoyancy to lift the bubble from the hose. The decrease in size can squeeze it to smaller than the diameter of the hose and remove the capillary forces and allow the buoyancy to overcome any surface tension forces.

Think of a shake with a large strawberry in the straw and the suction required to pull it through versus a small strawberry in the straw, the large one has more resistance due to the walls of the straw acting upon it.
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Vac bleeders are pretty damn handy. Two bits of advise when using them though.

Wrap the threads of the bleeder with some teflon tape to help prevent air being pulled through them.

Apply vac to the unit before cracking the bleeder. This will get a good seal on the hose around the bleeder. It's a really leaky part of the design. Then just crack and let it drop some pressure and tighten before you go to no vac.

Those two things can trick you because you'll see air bubbles but the aren't from the brake system.

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Old Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum Post 01-15-2017, 07:07 PM   #29
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Vac leaks around the bleed nipple always seemed like a concern to me, even though I've never used one. Still haven't, in fact!

I called my buddy who runs a bike shop to pick his brain about vac bleeders since he's had a few. He asked what I had going on and suggested I just needed to hone the MC. I was skeptical, but I trust him, so I tossed the whole front brake assembly in my saddle bag and rode to his shop to bum his hone.

His hone only goes down to 14mm, so we ended cutting a slit in a wooden dowel to hold a scrap of scouring pad. One quick pass with the hone revealed TONS of low spots. I was shocked. I inspected the bore closely before installing the new kit and didn't see anything funky at all. A few more passes cleared up the low spots and -bam- instant firm lever. Just bled it out normally on the bench in no time. Maybe cracked the bleeder 10 times altogether.

"Every day is a school day", as Yantosh said.

Then he hopped on his XR 650L and we rode around in the mud some. So technically, still no brakes on the bike, but it was a good day.

I wonder if Cortech throw-over bags are machine washable?
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