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Old Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum Post 05-28-2018, 11:05 PM   #10361
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I must be missing something. How is it an anti-dive? I see nothing to dampen, just a set of linkages to keep the caliper at ground level when the forks compress. I seriously see nothing that the stock mounts wouldn't have done
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Old Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum Post 05-28-2018, 11:25 PM   #10362
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Consider the caliper floating....(which it is)
when you apply the brakes, the caliper locks onto the rotor....which rotates the caliper upward...using the adjustable linkage that is connected to the lower triple, to push the forks back up

I have always wanted to try and do a mechanical anti dive on some oldskool project, but I don't do machine work.......I think it looks pretty cool and obviously does work to some degree.



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Old Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum Post 05-29-2018, 12:00 AM   #10363
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Ok that actually makes more sense. God help you if you hit a bump while it happens though lol
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Old Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum Post 05-29-2018, 11:34 AM   #10364
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God help you if you hit a bump while it happens though lol
It doesn't affect how the forks absorb a bump negatively, instead it gives the forks more travel during limit braking to absorb larger bumps.
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Old Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum Post 05-29-2018, 12:34 PM   #10365
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My experience on the SECApocalypse makes me think it could work quite well; as casper says, travel isn't used up by brake forces. In my case I also have the advantage of no slider tubes to bind under flex force.

An unexpected advantage is that without any notable pitching while braking, response to transition from brake to throttle is quicker; the bike doesn't need to put any energy into getting the front end back up again. Lots of fun in traffic. Of course, the front caliper upgrade and open breathing also helped...
Also, I raised the COG a bit just for ergo reasons, which would cause even more dive on a normal bike, but is no problem on mine.
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Old Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum Post 05-31-2018, 03:47 PM   #10366
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It doesn't affect how the forks absorb a bump negatively, instead it gives the forks more travel during limit braking to absorb larger bumps.
It absolutely affects how the forks absorb a bump (under hard braking) in the same way that respringing your forks to be incredibly stiff would.

The whole point is that braking applies a force to the suspension that resists it being compressed in addition to the force provided by the springs to resist dive; it's resisting bumps exactly as much as it's resisting dive. Part of why it was abandoned by racers after a short spate of intense interest in the early 80s is that braking over rough surfaces could result in "awful skipping and leaping" of the front tire.

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Yeah, but the other point is you can use softer springs because the springs aren't doing the job of resisting dive.
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It absolutely affects how the forks absorb a bump (under hard braking) in the same way that respringing your forks to be incredibly stiff would.

The whole point is that braking applies a force to the suspension that resists it being compressed in addition to the force provided by the springs to resist dive; it's resisting bumps exactly as much as it's resisting dive. Part of why it was abandoned by racers after a short spate of intense interest in the early 80s is that braking over rough surfaces could result in "awful skipping and leaping" of the front tire.
I am going to have to disagree with you.

As with a fully floating caliper applying forces to the triple tree, it will not affect the spring or shock portion of the forks. It will however change the rotational speed at which the brake disk goes through the fully applied caliper and cause brake pulsation on rough surfaces. If you are at fully brake pressure for a given speed and the brake forces vary, it can be viewed like you are braking at a slightly higher and slightly lower speed. The slightly lower speed will have a greater chance of locking up if the brake pressure isn't lowered accordingly.

Why would the use of this external force be any different than the use of a sway bar on a car? You provide an external route for the force to be transferred to the body of the vehicle and allow the use of softer springs / shocks due to the lower forces in the remainder of the system?
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