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78' cb400 no power at low end

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after cleaning the carbs on my 1978 Honda cb400 the bike is still having problems from beginning to half throttle. Past half throttle the bike runs and responds like a champ. Petcock was cleared of gunk, no leaks as far as I can tell anywhere... added sea foam to gas today hoping that might help over time. what should I try now? the carbs are over 30 yrs old - should I just buy new replacements? or try to rebuild them? HELP!
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rejet it maby. and also did you clean the tank good?
How did you clean your carbs? How old is the gas? Stock jetting? Did you break the carbs down and clean all the internals?

Sounds like you may be running a little lean, most likely a clogged pilot jet.
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i went over carbs with this chap. im confused.
if not

ur best friends in Carb Country are

Compressed air.

Guitar string G or B.

Carb cleaner. a carb solution vat if possible but pinsol should work.

grease for the boots.

carb part names: Jet, Pilot Jet, Jet Needle, Float , Float valve. diaphragm, Float bowl, Float Bowl Drain Screw. as well there are o-rings and and gaskets (which are all RUBBER) and springs. im sure im missing things
take note of how the parts come out where they came out from. hoses included.
when u pull the pilot screws take note of how many turns they turn in and then go all the way out with them.

take the mother fuckers apart down to the bones, remove all rubber i repeat all rubber.
do not separate the carb banks EVER.
theyre a bitch to take apart and put back together right.
soak all needles jets jet needles, floats carb bank in cleaner for 1 hour to 24 hours depending on how bad they are.
( this chemical will Fuck up the rubber so be sure its all removed.)
then pull all the parts out.
spray dry them with compressed air, then take all the jets and run the guitar string thru them even the holes in the emulsion tubes.
then spray all parts with Spray Carb cleaner and let it set in.
then air dry yet again.

now reassemble the badboys taking note along the way of how they came out where they came out. TAKE PICTURES IF YOU HAVE TO not everyone has Photographic memory. set your pilots to where they were

most carbs have 2-4 brass screws called jets in the carbs that atomize the fuel liquid into tiny tiny particles these more than likely are the Culprits to your problem that and passages in the carb body.

then reverse the order of operation. go back together with the som bitches. also clean or replace the air filtration device. the carbs to the manifold good n tite. then bolt the Air box to the carbs good n tite. get fuel flow to the carb bowls via tank or fuel bottle. use the drain screws to see if ur getting flow.

then turn bike on, pull choke and letter rip. (in neutral of course) (dont ask me how i know)

now a sure fire way to see if you got a air leak of some sort spray the rubber intake boots and around the air box with brake clean or spray carb clean and if the RPMs change ur a leakin and the ship wont sail properly. if the rpms stay the same your winning the game
again from ur noob thread
If it is 30 years worth of good miles the internals of the carbs might be just worn enough to cause a problem. I would check the needles n such. Everything might not be seating properly.
My guess................


hey, why don't you try reading and you'll see the first sentence of this post says "AFTER cleaning the carbs on my 1978 Honda cb400 the bike is still having problems from beginning to half throttle." applying some simple comprehension skills would tell you it sounds as though he took gsf1200r's helpful info to heart and cleaned his carbs.

here's a little bit of info dan didn't mention that i thought may help determine the problem...i helped dan pull the carbs and he then took them apart, soaked everything in cleaner that wasn't rubber, ran guitar string through it all, and took careful notice where everything went and how many turns it should sit at. we then got the carbs back in and dan took it for a spin and it ran like a top, save for wanting to bog down at idle. no throttle hesitation whatsoever. however, when he pulled it back in the garage, we noticed gas dumping out the right carb, and we determined the hinge on the float was stuck which was flooding it, hence the bogging. dan has since pulled the carbs again to fix the hinge, and now that it's fixed he is having problems with hesitation again.

now, my thought is (though i'd need some more knowledgeable input) since there was not throttle hesitation when the carb was getting too much gas, but is hesitating again now that the float hinge has been fixed, shouldn't it just be a matter of tuning it so that it gets more gas in the mix? jumping up a jet size or something as dirty_f2 suggested?
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i doubt a rejet is necessary since it looks all stock. old hondas don't like anything else. i would check the idle adjustment screws, pilot screw (if your carb has one) and the choke linkage, then seafoam because it's easy and if all else fails pull the carbs again and clean. timing could also be a little off but that would cause poor idle not non-running cylinder unless one is way out.
hey, why don't you try reading and you'll see the first sentence of this post says "AFTER cleaning the carbs on my 1978 Honda cb400 the bike is still having problems from beginning to half throttle." applying some simple comprehension skills would tell you it sounds as though he took gsf1200r's helpful info to heart and cleaned his carbs.

here's a little bit of info dan didn't mention that i thought may help determine the problem...i helped dan pull the carbs and he then took them apart, soaked everything in cleaner that wasn't rubber, ran guitar string through it all, and took careful notice where everything went and how many turns it should sit at. we then got the carbs back in and dan took it for a spin and it ran like a top, save for wanting to bog down at idle. no throttle hesitation whatsoever. however, when he pulled it back in the garage, we noticed gas dumping out the right carb, and we determined the hinge on the float was stuck which was flooding it, hence the bogging. dan has since pulled the carbs again to fix the hinge, and now that it's fixed he is having problems with hesitation again.

now, my thought is (though i'd need some more knowledgeable input) since there was not throttle hesitation when the carb was getting too much gas, but is hesitating again now that the float hinge has been fixed, shouldn't it just be a matter of tuning it so that it gets more gas in the mix? jumping up a jet size or something as dirty_f2 suggested?
Why dont you try reading........


after cleaning my carbs could mean he sprayed the outside with windex
Why dont you try reading........


after cleaning my carbs could mean he sprayed the outside with windex
No man, kawibobber is right - cleaned the carbs properly, so far as I can tell, according to the thread you think I didn't read. still with me pumpkin?

how bou't try to help me fix the issue instead of assuming I'm a dumbass.
turn the pilot mixtures out a quarter turn if it changes rpms lower go the other way if it goes higher lower the rpm with the adjuster and then see what it does. if it still hesitates go out til it changes yet again change the idle settin with the adjuster.

check the plugs and see what colour they are if they are white ur lean black they are rich. u want a good coffee and cream colour.
ZOOM ZOOM! Pulled the carbs for the 3rd time last night, cleaned the hell out of them (again) paying special attention to the pilot jet needle and hole since I was having all my problems early in the throttle. Compressed air multiple times through all holes and lines as well as carb cleaner. Checked and rechecked the action on the slides, etc. etc. Adjusted pilot screws in a bit to allow more fuel or less air (the screws are near the front wheel so I think they are the fuel adjusters). Also checked plugs (seemed black to me) and sanded them a bit. Bottom line, after putting it all back on, I rode this morning and hallelujah! NO LEAKS, NO HESITATION, NO PROBLEMS! Except when I got pulled over for not having my plate on, lol, no big deal. Police escort home :)

Thanks for all the help everyone - I definitely know a shit ton about carbs now.

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nice work bro!
but you just reminded me- i gotta pay my "obscured plate" ticket asap! crap....
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Good game, third times forever the charm. glad you got it fixed. dont get pulled again for the same thing unless you wanna pay over and over again....


obscure plates what are those fancy dishes you never use that sit in ur wife/grandmother/mothers china cabinet for special ocassions that never seem to occur?
after cleaning the carbs on my 1978 Honda cb400 the bike is still having problems from beginning to half throttle. Past half throttle the bike runs and responds like a champ. Petcock was cleared of gunk, no leaks as far as I can tell anywhere... added sea foam to gas today hoping that might help over time. what should I try now? the carbs are over 30 yrs old - should I just buy new replacements? or try to rebuild them? HELP!
Have you found a solution? I have the same problem...
Have you found a solution? I have the same problem...
Post #13 said his solution. Btw, this thread is over 11 years old.

Later, Doug
Yes. Thank you, I found it. I know that 11 years... :-(
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