ya, you learned your lesson.

you could give it to me for a stunt bike.



I'd get in contact with the guy first and see what he says, then go from there. He sounds like a fucker though, so good luck.

If you can get a clean frame for like $700, it is prob worth it.

I bet you can sell the salvage frame on stuntlife or a track riders forum.

 

swap it over..... alot of guys have alot more money into older bikes. it'll be worth it in the end

 

check your states laws you might be able to get in contact with the RO and get the bike into your name and ride the piss out of it after some inspections.

 

Dude, you paid $1000 for what sounds like a pretty decent bike. You already made out good. Don't bother with the clean frame unless you plan on selling it, and even then, don't buy a new frame. You'll NEVER get your money out of it. If the frame is straight, you're golden. Only buy a new frame if it's damaged beyond being repairable, or the new frame is cheaper than a repair job. Otherwise, just do your build. Taking him to court won't do much good since it's going to be a he said/she said thing unless you have it in writing where he says it's a clean titled bike, and even then you won't get much and it won't be worth your time.

At least you learned the single prime lesson: If it looks to good to be true, it probably is. 2 weeks ago I walked away from what looked on the surface to be a great deal on a truck I need. It was supposed to have 70K miles on it, but when I got there, the interior was beat to shit, worn the fuck out, and I knew something just wasn't right. I figure it was a gauge swap on a worn out truck. I once bought a beat-up running '67 Camaro with a 327 from a guy who gave me an application for a title instead of the title becasue I was young and didn't know the difference. I paid $600 for it, so I still made out ike a bandit. In the end you paid a good price for a running bike. You still win.

 

$1000 for a running sport bike less than 10 years old is definitely a steal. No sense in getting a clean titled frame. Unless the frame is damaged, the only reason to get a clean frame would be if you are going to resell the bike as soon as you get everything swapped over and hopefully make a couple hundred bucks. By the time you buy a frame and spend all the time swapping everything over you wouldn't make that much on it anyways, depending on what you consider your time to be worth. Just get the title in your name, get a new chain and sprockets, pull off all the unneeded plastic crap, and ride the shit out of it.

Just remember next time, he could have been screwing you over by selling you a stolen bike or one with a lean on it that he didn't even have the title for. If the seller can't show you a title you should assume there is something wrong and run far far away, unless they tell you up front there is no title available and the price reflects that.

 

Even if it's a salvage title though, get the title in your name. Sounds like you dont even have that yet.

 

thx for the replies guys.. yeah i mean the guy seemed legit when i went to check out the bike and he said he was moving or somethin and lost the title so i was like ok and i got it in writing that the title would be delivered to me.. the original frame isnt junk.. just has like a tiny dent and scratches on it but im guessing it was salvaged due to the damage on the plastics and such.. im not worried about the frame being damaged but i just dont like the fact that its branded salvage now.. it prolly was never registered after being salvaged in 06 so ill have to do all that inspection stuff with the dmv to get it back on the road..

i found a 06 f4i frame with 7,800 miles on it with a clean title for 550 shipped from this motorcycle wrecker in texas should i go for that.. blue book on a 06 f4i is almost 5 grand.

i might eventually plan on selling the bike after fixing it so a clean title would be nice.. i could sell the original frame after getting a new frame.. i mean i have the bill of sale and the bike isnt stolen soo.. but the title isnt in my name or anything

 

and btw this didnt seem like something too good to be true.. i mean the bike does need alot of work.. it was stunted and looks ugly as shit..

 

Keep one thing in mind about "blue book". It's complete bullshit. If you completely restore that bike to pristine factory condition, it's worth about $3500 tops. Mostly because brand new 600cc bikes are being dumped for just over $7K right now, and the price of used ones went through the floor. In the process you'll lose at least $500 in parts, and much more in your labor and frustration. Stop looking at it in dollars and cents. It won't work. You'll make more money parting it out than rebuilding almost 100% of the time unless you happen to have access to a huge supply of wrecked bikes you got for almost nothing and a bottomless pit of gullible buyers who wouldn't know a good bike from a bad one if you hit em with it.

 

^^ yeah man ur right i know.. well i called the guy and hes still claiming that the title is clean and that im crazy.. fuckin douche.. kept talking about how hes sick and cant get the title and if i dont want to wait than so be it.. im thinkin of just not even wasting my time on the *** and handle it on my own..

the frame im looking at right now is 550 shipped for the 06 clear FLORIDA title? should i buy it swap the stuff over register it and call it a day or just part out the bike and buy a nice clean bike?

i mean even with the new frame the total of the bike will cost me like 1500-600 and thats still not bad for a good running bike i guess?

so wut u guys think? get the new frame or part the bike?

 

i would almost think of doing the frame swap thing because if you total it they will at least pay you something to help get on the road again or fund another project

polly make a good amout nt of money back with the old frame as well
get title for salvage frame either way less hassle for buyer

 

Either get the title to the salvage bike in your name or buy the other frame with a clean title and swap everything over. Salvage title isn't a big deal unless you going to sell it, like others have said.. It' might not be easy to get the title without the help of the seller either. Doesn't sound like you have much invested at all for a running complete bike.

 

yeah getting the title for the salvage bike would be the first thing to do but the guy i bought it from is being a **** right now and he"s not even the owner listed on the bike.. so i dont feel like going thru all the trouble trying to track his friend down and getting him to get a duplicate of the title or w.e and all that..

how hard is it to swap frames? i know ill have to remove everything and reinstall..i dont mind i enjoy that.. that way i can clean up and paint fix stuff in the process.. but i dont have crazy amount of tools.. how heavy is a 600 engine?

also how legal is all this lol.. because ill have to take the bike to dmv to get the vin checked and inspected since its out of state title?

does an engine or any other parts have a vin etched on it?

 

Swaping everything over is a decent amount of work but it's not hard if you take your time and make sure you know where every nut and bolt came from.

If you buy a clean title frame and swap everything over, nobody but you will know. Well, and us, of course Proper paperwork is sometimes more important than anything else. Nobody will ever cross reference the motor number to the frame unless the suspect it's stolen. With clean paperwork, nobody would ever suspect anything. The DMV will want to verify the number stamped on the frame matches the title, that's it.. Good luck.

 

I would go light a fire under the PO's ass. I think there is a serial on the motor, and it may be connected to the VIN, i'm not sure how that works. Are you sure it's not stolen?

That's a good deal on the frame though, I'd try to put a deposit on that either way.

 

lol maybe he"ll come around and eventually give me the title to the bike when "he isnt sick anymore" um id say im positive the bike isnt stolen because who would have registration to a stolen bike? the bike isnt listed as stolen on the nicb.com site either only salvaged due to a collision... anyone wanna look up the vin for me.. i can pm it to them?

yeah the frame is from a motorcycle parts place in florida i found it on ebay.. they said it has good papers and its good condish.. still kinda sucks paying half of the bikes price for a frame lol

 

^^ before i took the bike home.. he showed me the old registration of the bike.. dating back to 06 the last time it was registered.. same vin and all.. on his buddys name.. i let him keep the old registration cuz he said he needed it to get a duplicate of the title or something like that..

but will i be needing any special tools for the frame swap like to pull the motor, swingarm,forks and all that?

 

Don't know your laws but in PA. you don't own that bike and neither did the guy you bought it from.. You can't sell what you don't own. I know other states are different and you just need a buyers order and a signed title to get a registration. I would call the DMV and tell them you bought a bike and only have a buyers order and see what your options are for getting a title. Problem I see is you have a buyer order from a guy that didn't own the bike. Like I said, in PA. you'd be fucked.. Good luck.

 

i know in s.c. you can title up to 3 bikes per year as "custom" bikes and apply for a title. it would be considered as a custom built bike. maybe check into that in your state, if you can at least you would have a title and wouldnt have to swap everything out.

 

yeah.... this is why im starting to lean towards the whole frame swap idea.. well this guy got the bike from his friend but never registered it because he just rode it around n stunted or w.e on it.. yeah the bill of sale he gave me was signed by him not his friend but he said he was going to go to dmv with the friend to get the title.. i think the laws are the same here too.. the title needs to be signed over by the owner on the title..

ok lets say i swap frame and everything.. now i have a 2006 cbr f4i on paper right? does the number on the engine correspond with the vin number of the frame or is nto really relevant.. i mean i doubt its illegal to swap engines right? lets say my bike with the clean frame and title gets stolen would i get in trouble if the parts are not from that frame (i dont live in too nice of a city lol and have to park it outside)

sorry for all my long ass questions guys.. i promise once i get everything worked out ill build a cool ass fighter

 

here is the frame i bought... 540$ shipped and insured.. should i polish it or paint it flat black? it does have some scratches on it..

 

Man.. I hope you checked with Suncoast about the title on thaty frame.. They sell a lot of salvage title frames too. Oh boy.... hope I'm wrong for your sake..

As for your question about swaping everything. Read my other post again. The motor numbers don't mean shit when it comes to getting a bike registered.

 

I just read through your whole thread here, and I'm not sure about your state, but, here in Wisconsin you can send your paperwork in the mail to the DMV; signed title (both parties), application for title transfer, application for registration, and money order/cashiers check. In 2-6 weeks you get a title, plates, and registration paperwork. Insurance is a phone call away in most cases so long as you have a policy with the company for a car, just ask them to add a bike, boom done, they send out the paperwork.


I've ridden some hack job bikes, all you need is paperwork in some states. Wisconsin being one of them.


(Here's a secret that should stay here at CF, pertaining to "hack job" motorcycles, I have a buddy who has a 1982 Yamaha Virago 750 "flat tracker" that is registered and titled as a Honda VF500F due to a head tube/fork/triple/wheel swap that took place over the summer. It's more expensive in some cases compared to the Virago. But the frame/motor/title swaps can and have been done. It only took signing a title and sending it in, in the case of the Virago-Tracker or "XS Interceptor" for that matter)


***NOTE
I am an idiot at times and all this may not apply at all, just sayin' though, if you can find legal loop holes you can pull off some dumb shit. Just don't expect insurance to cover you if they find out you did some nuts engine/frame/title swap (without telling anyone) to get a bike on the road and you crash it and it needs to be investigated. Basically, don't be like me and my builder friends, make sure your not commiting a crime doing this. Your local court house will have the up-to-date law books on hand and will be more than happy to let you page through them!! I found the loop holes in registration that way. Not totally legal, but not totally illegal, it's a grey area in Wisconsin if you look at it from a builders perspective but an insurance firm or LEO may not see it that way. Alot of what I have done in the extreme aspect of bikes can be counted as illegal but if I don't hurt anyone with it, it's perfectly legal. Go figure eh'?!


-RF

 

to ratfighter i dont feel like going thru all the paperwork since the bike is not on the sellers name and it would be a hassle u know..

yeah smokey i googled it some more and the motor number is just to identify what kind of engine it is i think.. its not tied to the vin.. and i asked the seller a few times if it was clean and this is what he wrote
"Dear d1noct,

It is a clean title frame, ready to register.
Thanks
Dave
SunCoastCycleSports.com"

and
"Dear d1noct,

This frame is in great condition, no problems.
Thanks
Dave
www.SunCoastCycleSports.com"

so i doubt he would lie about the status of the frame.. i guess ill ask him to send me a pic of the title or something?
i did notice on his site that all of the frames he is selling are FL COD.. i hope mine isnt.. id be pissed lol

 

to ratfighter i dont feel like going thru all the paperwork since the bike is not on the sellers name and it would be a hassle u know.

Exactly, that's why I was letting you know my experiences with registering a frame that doesn't have the original engine. No problem. Easy as it can be. Congrats on getting yourself a frame w/ title and having a go at building a bike from the ground up!

 

looks to me like there is a good sized dent in the frame. I know here in az about 99% of the time when the frame is dented on a motorcycle it gets totaled by the insurance company making it a salvage title.

 

over 4 grand in my katana, get a clean title frame, then you can mod everything to hell as you swap it over.... :rock:

 

if it has a dent in frame...

Use knead it... metal filler... not bog... then if rego guys tap it it sounds more like metal, you gotta sand it to perfection then paint it, they write frames off but a small ding usually means nothing wrong with it...

no biggie man, i suspect its just picture angles, not a dent like the other guy thinks is there, i guess time will tell, i mean hell if it was a dent and they were trying to be dodgy they wouldve taken a pic from other side...

 

Sue him for money to do your rebuild with

 

this is truly a sad story ..feel fookin bad fer yew mate ...!

 

lol yeah kinda sucks.. i wanted a bike to build up and was kinda naive to ppls bs.. lesson learned i guess... but i mean i still dont make out too bad.. 06 cbr for around 1600 bucks with clean frame and title.. i doubt u can beat that lol..

i won the bid on the frame but i still havent paid.. so ill exhaust the seller with questions till i pay that way i wont get screwed.. but even there is paypal even if the seller doesnt accept returns.. paypal is on the buyers side always..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390132179221&viewitem=
thats the ebay link with more pics.. i think the dents were just the angles and lighting of the pics..

 

ummmmmmm dude, i thinks not... definately a minger of a dent there

fine if you dont mind filling it and painting...

or get a different one....

or get that one.... read its chassis number.... your one happens to dissapear and you put new chassis number, on your chassis. (stamps punchs are quite easy to buy, just so you know....)

not that i would condone such behavior... lol