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I keep seeing reference to 180 section rear tires on here, and sometimes giggle-ers taking the rise out of chicken strips.

Now this maybe more interesting to no000bs rather than the grizzly faced old CF stagers, but here I'm gonna tell it like it is.

A 180/17 is standard rear boot as far as i am aware for any self respecting sports oriented machine.

I choose to fit an oversize 190 section rear tire because my soul feels happier with a few more active fractions of an inch of rubber connecting me with the road at any given time.

If you look carefully at the following pic, you will see an area of unworn shoulder tread that sticks out like a sore thumb....



...Now look again, and you will see that the scrubbed rubber line
co-incides with the edge of the wheel rim.

That equates to: This is not a chicken strip bbecause the tire is being used to the edge of the wheel rim on a 180 section, but this being a 190 you are going to be on your ear before you wreck your pride and the hero pegs to scuff it out.

So. don't be bullied to attempt impossible lean angles you should not do to look cool at the club meet.

There you go, the ghost is layed. (but get a 190 :LolLolLolLol:)

Now, as an add on for you sharp eyes, the red arrow not pointing at the "chicken strip" but into the end of the can, reveals what looks like a frighteningly weak mixture shade of color.

tee he he...Not so, It's as black and sooty as fuck and has been over-lit by the flash on the cam.

Yeah, it's due back on the dyno for a few more tweaks...
 

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Edit>>>> I will add, that a 190 slows down the steering a tad but that's easily overcome with an extra ounce of counter steer.

It feels like riding on a rail, wet or dry..."steamrollers" are the way to go.
 

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I went from a 190 (stock) to a 180 and I love it. My tire is worn all the way to the dge though :)
 

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i dont believe that end of the rim bit at all. my 190 on my gixxer gets scrubbed all the time and i dont drag knee im town very often.
 

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I got a pretty heavy bike with a pretty long wheelebase... the different in effort needed to turn isn't as important as how easily it stays down. On a 190 tire (I tried 3 brands) it wanted to stand up on its own.

Now it wants to fall in but that's better for me..
 

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haelo: yes thats true because of the change in the geometry I guess.

kokomochandler: It's hard to explain, but if you look at scraps pic of his rear, you can see that the tire edge is more or less level with the rim. With the wider section it actually overhangs the rim something like in this illustration using the red lines as an example of the difference of overhang:



I run my rear tire @ 42Lb/sq in. so there is not so much side wall flexing that can occur at lower pressure to extend the lean angle contact patch even more.

As a static test, If I stand beside the bike and tip it toward me till the angle of the bike equates to being right at the edge of the 190 tread, I would be touching down metal bigtime, understanding that the suspension is not loaded by trying it this way.

There again, road camber can affect the wear pattern of the side profile too.

Interesting debate though ;)

:letsride: in ever decreasing figure of 8's in a parking lot to scrub em off and avoid lengthly discussions about pussyfoot riding. hehehe
 

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DZ don't just lay the ghost...he chews it up and spits it out. ( Mental note: find cheesy worn to edge tire pics):D
 

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...Now look again, and you will see that the scrubbed rubber line
co-incides with the edge of the wheel rim.

That equates to: This is not a chicken strip bbecause the tire is being used to the edge of the wheel rim on a 180 section, but this being a 190 you are going to be on your ear before you wreck your pride and the hero pegs to scuff it out.

cough, bullshit, cough. bad news dude, you can take that bike right to the tire edge. it has nothing to do with balls, it has everything to do with skill. Doing it on the street is silly, do it on the track. Dont let people give you shit for your "chicken strips" but also dont make up fables to justify them either.
 

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I run the 190's on my 1,000, unless i get some 180 pirrelli race scrubs, from a friend. I love them and they steer quick as hell, because the tire has more of a curved shape.
Right now both gixxers have 190 dunlop tires and i use more of the tire on my 1,000 ??? I dunno why ?
I'm used to leaning it over more. It has NOTHING to do with the 905 cage on the 750 witch doesn't effect clearance at all.
 

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I run the 190's on my 1,000, unless i get some 180 pirrelli race scrubs, from a friend. I love them and they steer quick as hell, because the tire has more of a curved shape.
Right now both gixxers have 190 dunlop tires and i use more of the tire on my 1,000 ??? I dunno why ?
I'm used to leaning it over more. It has NOTHING to do with the 905 cage on the 750 witch doesn't effect clearance at all.
A fact we verified at the ghettogether, I believe.
 

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cough, bullshit, cough. bad news dude, you can take that bike right to the tire edge. it has nothing to do with balls, it has everything to do with skill. Doing it on the street is silly, do it on the track. Dont let people give you shit for your "chicken strips" but also dont make up fables to justify them either.
Nicely put Vcook.
 

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for a while I had 2 visible scrub lines. The one closest to the tires edge was from before I started to get my butt of the seat. That was my proof that chicken strips are bullshit. I started taking corners faster and feeling more stable but was getting further away from the edge. FWIW I have yet to ride a track, its only street for me right now.
 

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for a while I had 2 visible scrub lines. The one closest to the tires edge was from before I started to get my butt of the seat. That was my proof that chicken strips are bullshit. I started taking corners faster and feeling more stable but was getting further away from the edge. FWIW I have yet to ride a track, its only street for me right now.
Worthy input bro.
Similar to me re the track riding, but I do ride competitively on the roads. Like if I come up fast on a set of "s" bends end on end in a short period of a ride, as long as I have an open view ahead, I will scythe straight through them in a straight line virtually upright from apex to apex. Cornering speed :wtf:
I'm going in a straight line and covering ground faster than any dude emulating a track hero. Result being, I am faster over a given distance....oh, and they only count the winners at the finish.
So, what you wrote there is the mark of a good rider.

PS *note for Dougz if he's looking in: I found the only cheesey one I could find:

 

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I meant, I was gonna find my, " Look at me, I got to the edge of tire pics"....LOL....its been so long, I don't think I even have them stored anywhere anymore.
 
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