[shotgun]

that ZX14R is beating out the new BWM bike as well?

Yup. It ran 9:25 @ 151mph With Rickey Gadson pulling the trigger in stock form.

 

[chuck762]

i just remembered that i have BUSA forks so.. trying to get GSXR 4 pots on there is probably going to be a pain in the ass

Oh well its a commuter bike.

All the 6 pot calipers are 90mm from mounting hole to hole. The TLR, GSXR 4 pot calipers are the same. They are interchangeable. The tokico 6 pots sucks balls. Both my ZRX1200 and ZX12 (and other models as well) came with them. I swapped out the ZRX with 4 pots form a earlier GSXR and the ZX12 got 6 pot nissins from the ZX7RR. The only difference other than color between the kawasaki and suzuki calipers is that suzuki ones use an ceramic coated aluminum pistons so they don't corrode like the kawa ones do but they still get really dirty and that makes the pads drag more. The tokico 6 pots are also a pain in the ass to bleed correctly. If you spend the time on them they will work a little better but swapping to a set of 4 pots will be easier.
The earlier nissin 4 pots will work much better along with being lighter. If you can find a set the nissin 6 pots work much better than the tokico 6 pots but they are hard to find cheap.

I don't know what size master cylinder you currently have but the 4 pots on the gsxrs used a 14mm and the bandits came with a 5/8 diameter bore MC. Either will work but they give different feel.

 

[Scaary Don]

This is all turning out to be very lame. I've got a busa front end. I figured the 6 pots would kick ass.

 

[Mustapha dump]

i just remembered that i have BUSA forks so.. trying to get GSXR 4 pots on there is probably going to be a pain in the ass

Oh well its a commuter bike.

The 4 pots will bolt staright on, they're the same 90mm spacings.

 

[Nailhead]

after some reading around (trying to figure out why my mounts look different) it looks like i have non radial brakes on this bike. I am trying to hunt down a pair of 4 pot none radial brakes but the prices are fucking stupid.

A few questions


1) this is my first pair of none radial brakes. do you think what i am feeling now is just being use to radial brakes... how i see if brakes such or not (fuck off its what i like) is if they can hold me back in a burn out.. These 6 pot none radial CAN NOT hold me back what so ever at all.. its frustrating.

2) Am i going to notice this much of a difference going to 4 pot none radial brakes? I just want it to not feel so spongy and actually hold me back when i hold the damn lever in.

3) What year did the GSXR 1000 go to the radial setup? I want to be able to refine my ebay search term perfectly and be able to jump on a pair when they are in my price range.

4) I plan to switch to the Busa master, As the PO reused the Bandit Master on this bike.. Someone on ebay had a random object by the busa master and that fucker looks like its the size of a tea cup haha.

Should i upgrade the master first? (i cross referenced it and my after market lever will fit) then do the brakes? or should i do the 4 pots and if that doesn't help then pick up a busa master? Right now as they are about 50ish bucks on ebay.

thanks for the time and input on this guys.

 

[Pug]

I think I'd strip down what you've got first and identify the problem you're working with.

They might not be your best option but they ought to work better than it sounds like you're describing.

 

[Kimmo57]

3) What year did the GSXR 1000 go to the radial setup? I want to be able to refine my ebay search term perfectly and be able to jump on a pair when they are in my price range.

....

Should i upgrade the master first? (i cross referenced it and my after market lever will fit) then do the brakes? or should i do the 4 pots and if that doesn't help then pick up a busa master? Right now as they are about 50ish bucks on ebay.

thanks for the time and input on this guys.

GSXR 1000 got radial calipers in -03 and radial MC in -05. I believe the -03 had 1 pad/ side but in -04 it changed to 2 pads/side or 1 pad/piston.
750 got a radial MC in -04 and the calipers looked the same to me, though I'm not 100% sure.
According to what I've read, the MC is not the problem, though.

 

[Nailhead]

I think I'd strip down what you've got first and identify the problem you're working with.

They might not be your best option but they ought to work better than it sounds like you're describing.

its hard to describe.

i am 270lbs (125KG)

the brakes will work but.. not nearly as good as i am use to. and i've use 4 pots on the 900rr and my gsxr 600 and i went to a perimeter buell brake (which was fucking amazing) to this setup

setup has braided lines.


My main issue is that they will not lock up for me during a burn out, I also have a quarter turn throttle mod so my RPMs are pretty damn high as soon as i pop that clutch and it will just dragggg my front tire along the ground


I am just not sure where to start here and can't really afford to spend money so i can these damn brakes to lock when i want to burn the rear wheel.

 

[Pug]

Strip 'em; inspect the pads, seals, pistons, anti-rattle springs, pins & clips; clean 'em up & slap 'em back together with a bit of copper grease & some new bleed nipples; bleed 'em up (do a pump, pump, release at full lock each side too) to make sure all the air's out and then let us know how they are.

Won't take long, costs fuck all to speak of but can be the difference between sharp brakes & a wallet itch.

 

[Nailhead]

they work for now and i have a bike show on the 15th to go to so after that i am going to tear them apart and take a good look at them.

 

[DimestaK]

I'm in the same boat as you. I have Busa forks and 6 pots on the front of my bike. They suck, simple as that. I have been looking into swapping mine also. Im pretty sure the tl1000s calipers will work aslo, tokico 4 pots

 

[Bob138]

I used to own a 99 srad 750 and they had the same caliper bolt pattern. I remember seeing discussions between the 6 pots and 4 pots and the 4 pots that came on the srad 750s were better.

Had to do with the size of the pots and how much actual surface area they had.

Here's a thread:

http://www.gixerboyz.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=32761

Lots more out there like that one that advocate the 4 pots.

Bob

 

[Twin]

Try TLzone or TLplanet, those guys are always taking the 6 pots off the TLRs and putting them on their TLSs. Should be able to get a set for cheap if you ask around,hell, they might just give them to you,lol. Just a thought.(BTW my S has the original TLS 4 pots on TLR forks.....)

 

[Wargasm]

Ok, I gots the patience of a sugared up six year old when it comes to reading replies.

Here's the dealio, a single disc, single piston caliper should hold back a bike doing a burn out, unless the front tire is rock hard and bald as fuck. Dual disc 6 piston calipers should easily do this, 4 pot Nissins can stop the rotation of the earth if you point it the right way.

Tear the whole system down, piece by piece, I mean everything, if you do it good and careful you should be able to reuse everything except the copper/aluminum crush washers. This is the front brakes, the single most important thing on a motorcycle. I've got thirty year old 4 pots on the GS and I can do a burn out with ease, hell the Exes moped is in the garage and it has a tiny 6" fucking drum front brake and I can make it do a burn out, have to lift the rear to get it going first.

You should have the ability to lock the front up, at any speed, experience is what keeps it from happening. If there's no leaks, and the system is fully bled with no air/sponginess in it, then you either have seized/fucked calipers or your Master Cylinder is undersized for the calipers. Did you re-used the Bandit MC mated with the 6 pots, because this would mean that you could pull the lever all the way to the handle without locking up the calipers. you said you've got stainless lines, are you still using a splitter?

THis is really important, most important part of the bike

 

[Nailhead]

Ok, I gots the patience of a sugared up six year old when it comes to reading replies.

Here's the dealio, a single disc, single piston caliper should hold back a bike doing a burn out, unless the front tire is rock hard and bald as fuck. Dual disc 6 piston calipers should easily do this, 4 pot Nissins can stop the rotation of the earth if you point it the right way.

Tear the whole system down, piece by piece, I mean everything, if you do it good and careful you should be able to reuse everything except the copper/aluminum crush washers. This is the front brakes, the single most important thing on a motorcycle. I've got thirty year old 4 pots on the GS and I can do a burn out with ease, hell the Exes moped is in the garage and it has a tiny 6" fucking drum front brake and I can make it do a burn out, have to lift the rear to get it going first.

You should have the ability to lock the front up, at any speed, experience is what keeps it from happening. If there's no leaks, and the system is fully bled with no air/sponginess in it, then you either have seized/fucked calipers or your Master Cylinder is undersized for the calipers. Did you re-used the Bandit MC mated with the 6 pots, because this would mean that you could pull the lever all the way to the handle without locking up the calipers. you said you've got stainless lines, are you still using a splitter?

THis is really important, most important part of the bike

this is very hard to describe unless you see it yourself.

I've been doing burn outs on anything that i can get my hands on, When my friends give me their bikes the first thing they say is "NO BURN OUTS" or "IF YOU BURN THE TIRE YOU ARE GIVING ME 150 BUCKS" so i know what i am doing when it comes to doing this kind of thing haha.

Today i was out fucking around and i managed to get it to grab and burn... but man o man did i have to dump that fucking clutch and lean down into the forks.. Today my girlfriend and i rode 2 up for about 20 miles and they behaved just fine and worked just fine.. They just felt dated compared to what i am use to.

I know.. I know.. I should just tear the system down and fix them but.. I found myself alone with a cell phone (doctors office) with an hour to kill so i did nothing but read up on these 6 pots and EVERYONE says that if you plan to do anything other then cruse they are garbage.

I'm in the same boat as you. I have Busa forks and 6 pots on the front of my bike. They suck, simple as that. I have been looking into swapping mine also. Im pretty sure the tl1000s calipers will work aslo, tokico 4 pots

I am seeing TL1000 calipers up here that look brand new for 30.00 bucks (for both), so for a bolt on affair this is probably what i am going to end up doing.

 

[Nailhead]

thanks for all of the replies and help, its kind of fucked up that they put such poor preforming brakes on a 1300CC power house bike.

 

[Pug]

Guide here if you change your mind.

Wish I had some spare four pots here, I'd offer you a swap. :tongue:

 

[Nailhead]

Guide here if you change your mind.

Wish I had some spare four pots here, I'd offer you a swap. :tongue:

thanks for all of your help man.

 

[Wargasm]

I may have some Tokico four pots off of a '93 GSXR1100, I'll have to check though, I remember tearing them down and putting them in box when I discovered the front end was fucked.

 

[Nailhead]

I may have some Tokico four pots off of a '93 GSXR1100, I'll have to check though, I remember tearing them down and putting them in box when I discovered the front end was fucked.

i will gladly pay you for them if you have them