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Old Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum Post 11-01-2016, 09:13 PM   #1
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Yeah yeah, this shit again.

So for those of you just joining us, I bought this bike bone stock for last year's Buildoff and took it from this:




To this:




And that ^^^ is where we're starting this time.


Full specs and info can be seen in last year's thread (link in my sig), but the basics are this:

-2008 Busa
-Big turbo
-B-King trips
-Custom tail


This year the plan is to basically clean it up and squeeze a bit more power out of it. It'll be getting a redesigned tail, maybe new trips and bars, and some engine upgrades however I haven't decided how far I'm going with that this year yet. Looking at some other various bodywork... belly pan, fenders, that kinda thing. Also planning on doing a new wiring harness from scratch because clean wiring makes me moist, and hopefully by the time I do that I'll have finished designing my Keyless Ignition Module and will be able to work it into the bike. Probably doing some engine painting and frame powdercoating and whatnot too.

A little note on the internals.... was planning on bulletproofing the top and bottom end, but due to the fact that I have 5 active builds, 2 in the Buildoff, and have been living off savings since May (really since April) I'm just going to be doing the top end this year. Should hit mid-high 300's and will be shooting for as much as can be had next year (probably end up being around 460-500ish).


I'm still waiting on most of the important shit as almost everything is coming from Europe and I'm too cheap for fast shipping.

Sorry for all the words and shit. I know it's hard for you guys.


Proof of life.




Parts List:
- 2008 GSX1300R Hayabusa: $5000
- Build cost to date: $3200(ish)
- Ohlins SU406 rear shock: FREE
- B-King axle blocks: FREE
- APE valve seals and adjustable cam gears: FREE
- APE heavy duty head studs/nuts: $130
- Heavy duty stainless valves and springs: $470
- Various gaskets: $120
- Tail unit: $250
- Seat material: $36
- Pressure switch for rear brake: $20
- Clear clutch cover: $250
- Replacement B-King upper triple: $180
- Billet handlebars: $220
- EK ZVX3 11,100lb tensile strength chain: $130
- Sprockets: $60
BUILD COST FOR THIS YEAR: $1866
TOTAL COST: $10,066
(Disclaimer: Parts that I already have laying around on the shelf that weren't purchased specifically for the Buildoff are being counted as free. Many of them came from a bulk purchase that I made of a bunch of Busa parts, which I sold some of and got back more than I paid for all of it).

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Old Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum Post 11-01-2016, 09:14 PM   #2
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So being that it was 9ish in the morning and I had nothing to do today I got to work.



First thing's first, start stripping shit.





Since most of the big stuff isn't here yet, I threw in some bling I had laying around.





Trying to decide where to mount the adjuster.
Either here:



Or here:




Then I threw some different axle blocks in from a B-King swinger I have on the shelf. Because bling. Also it gets rid of the stupid license plate bracket that I've always hated.
Briefly considered sticking the entire B-King arm in the Busa frame, but it's too wide and the shock mount would need to be moved and if I'm gonna do that much work it isn't gonna be for a B-King bit.





The rear end was pretty grungy, so I cleaned half of the wheel and sprocket.





And that's pretty much it for today. Had other bikes to work on and there's not much else to do other than pull the engine out.

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Old Streetfighter Motorcycle Forum Post 11-13-2016, 12:38 AM   #3
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Sorry for the lack of updates, been deep in the Colorado mountains hunting since the 3rd with no connection to the outside world other than once on a mountain top that happened to have cell service somehow. Just got back and showered... nice to be able to wash my hands after pooping again.

So bad news.

The French cocksuckers (Furax-Bikes) I was ordering parts from refunded my payment and said, as best I can translate, that it was too expensive to have their manufacturer in Germany send them the parts and then them send it to me and that I need to go to them directly.
They didn't bother to tell me who their German manufacturer was though, and I haven't been able to find anybody else selling the particular tail section or headlight mask I wanted.
I re-ordered the stuff and sent them an email asking them to forward it to the Germans, to give me their contact info, or to have them just send me an invoice for the additional shipping. They denied my payment and didn't provide any info. I had sent other messages through their website, through email, and through their Facebook page earlier before I left for my trip and none of it has been replied to.
Fuck them then.

So I found another place with another tail section who is happy to take my money. They're the same people who made a handful of the parts on MAD Kuusaa's Destroyer 1, so it's gonna take some additional work to make sure it doesn't end up looking like a copy of that bike. I don't like their tail section nearly as much and it will take much more work to turn it into what I want, but I can live with that. The other bad news about that is that the shipping timer is now reset and it'll be another few weeks before I get it. Oh well.

I had called my engine tuner guy on my way out of town and discussed plans and part. We're gonna swap the Ti valves for stainless ones, throw some heavier springs in, put the intake cam on the exhaust side and a bigger cam on the intake side, with a handful of other upgrades thrown in for good measure.
I asked him to email me an invoice so we could get the stuff shipped and have it here when we both got back from our trips (he's out till the 16th or something like that). Never received that invoice, so it looks like that's gonna be delayed too.

On the bright side some stuff I had on eBay sold while I was gone, so that frees up a few grand for the Buildoff.


Speaking of bright sides, I'm looking at these for the headlights. The price hurts, but they're nice and small and at almost 1,000 lumens a piece I shouldn't need many of them.




I'm tired as shit. About to go add the cost list into the OP and then go to bed. Should have an update on this or the B12 tomorrow.

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Finally got a hold of my tuner today. Parts ordered and cost list updated.

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So the bits from Germany have made it through customs and should be here in the next week or so, along with a replacement top triple and a liquid intercooler. Dropped off a spare head with my tuner along with some stuff I had that goes in it and he should be taking it off to the machine shop this week.

Went out to the garage today and did a lot of undoing.








Love this view...





I forgot how much of a pain in the ass that fucking turbo/header is to remove (and install). NO room for anything. The turbo is in the way of the header bolts, the wastegate is in the way of the turbo flange bolts, and the header and turbo block the wastegate bolts. The few bolts you can get to you can only get a wrench or allen on, no sockets, and can only turn them one face at a time. It's like a horrible fucking Rubik's cube.
But, after an inordinate amount of time and curse words, off it came.





Then I loosened up the wheel and was gonna work the chain off the front sprocket when I noticed how stiff it was. Didn't want to replace it, but it looks like higher power = higher chain wear (who'd have thought?). If it doesn't hang straight under it's own weight it's time for a new one. By the way if any of you are looking for a new chain tool, the Motion Pro PBR is awesome.





Here's the reason for the replacement top triple.




Some of you may remember my trip to Tucson during last year's Buildoff. If I recall correctly I got the bike streetable on a Thursday and then rode it 950ish miles the next day with no real testing other then dyno time before hand. Because of that, I went over every single bolt I had touched with a torque wrench and made triple sure that everything was buttoned up as it should be.
With triple clamp bolts (and other pinch bolts for that matter) I usually go off feel as they really don't take much force and I have a pretty good feel for that stuff. Well, not this time... I threw an allen socket on the torque wrench (which had been recently calibrated), dialed in 16.5ft-lbs or whatever it was, snugged it up and SNAP. Rechecked the torque settings and it was good, no idea what the fuck happened.
Didn't have time to source a new one before my trip so I just kept an eye on it. It didn't budge. Then other things took priority and long story short I never addressed it. Even now 4500 miles and a number of wheelies, small jumps, and big potholes later it never budged, but I figure I really oughta do something about it anyway.



Debating what order to do stuff in. My tuner has like 30 bikes in his shop and only one other guy helping him, so his time is a rare commodity and I want to make stuff as convenient for him as possible. On the other hand, I don't like doing work twice. As long as the engine is out of the frame I wouldn't mind sandblasting and painting or powdercoating it, but he'll need it assembled to dyno it with the new head and boost level. Not to mention the whole wiring harness thing, that'll definitely take some time and I need to do that before he can do any tuning with it (though I do have a few other harnesses that could be thrown on there just for the sake of tuning it which might be the best option). And I'll need the bike as complete as possible to really be able to visualize stuff so I can do up the new tail section, but he'd probably really like to have a seat and a battery tray when he's on the dyno.



Think I'll start on trimming up a radiator this week to use for the liquid intercooler. There are some pre-mades out there but they're not cheap, and I have a few radiators laying around. Never tried doing such a thing before but it can't be that difficult. Been running it non-intercooled so far and it works fine at 3.3psi, but it'd be a good idea for the higher boost and will be a necessity for next year. I found a nice compact liquid intercooler that will go inline with the charge tube on the left side of the bike, now I just need the heat exchanger and a pump.

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Brought a spare radiator and the Burger King triple in to work, but was being a bitch about DW'ing after I got off cause I was tired. Then the bossman radio'd over that he wanted to chat about a bumper I'm designing before I took off, so I figured I may as well do something instead of do nothing.


Learned last year these trips are an almost direct fit with the one caveat being the BK steering damper mount taking up the same real estate as the Busa tank. So off it came, and much cleaner this time.




Cutoff wheel...




Other angle grinder thingy (the changeable sanding pad that gets pinched onto a backing plate by the nut, never sure what they're called)...
EDIT: They're called resin discs and they're awesome.




Then a few minutes on the belt sander and a few coats of paint when I got home...



Probably going to do the frame in this color too. Maybe a little more gloss in it to get more of a satin vs. flat finish, but I like the shade of black it is.


Kind of embarrassing looking at the quick cuttoff and flap disk job next to it. What the fuck was I thinking?
I was thinking I didn't want to take away too much material and compromise the strength of it. Why I thought removing that nub would be what did it in, I have no idea.


Probably start chopping up that radiator tomorrow.

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Things happened today.

Dropped by my tuner's shop while I was in the area, the head is coming along nicely.

And I had some packages waiting for me when I got home. The German parts have arrived... the moss foam seat pad is super nice, the other assorted bits are all there, and the tail looks good. It'll need to be modified on the front a decent amount to get it to fit, but other than that I'm almost tempted to leave it as is... almost. Different look than I was going for, but it's not a bad one.
I held the tail up and got a good visual but couldn't be arsed to mock it up for real, so here it is sitting on the Bandit because if I can't put it on one bike I may as well put it on the other.





My liquid intercooler came in as well, but it's too big to use. Or too long to really work anyway. Have an email in to the seller asking if they can make a shorter unit and if I can do an exchange if they do, but if not I'll have to cut it down like the radiator I'm using for that system.


Speaking of the radiator, got a bit done on it. Chopped all the tabs off, removed the smaller fittings, moved one hose fitting from the back of the tank to the side, moved the other one from the back of the other tank to the bottom, moved the cap to the other tank, patched up the holes, and tacked it all up. Should be done by the end of the weekend.





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Accidentally bought a fancy set of handlebars I've had on my eBay watch list for like a year. Whoops.
Also have a smaller intercooler on the way. The one I got is 13.75", this new one is 11"... I'm really hoping that's enough of a difference. That's the smallest one I could find and it has to be on there, and the "proper" Busa cooler-integrated plenums are in the area of $2000... fuck that. Unfortunately I looked over the first one again and there's no way to trim it down without cutting into the piping, which would mean I have to cap off each individual pipe, and fuck that as well. Have put in for a return of the first one.

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Build has basically been waiting for parts, tools, and other people's work to be done.
I had a big pile of parts on their way, but 4 of the last 5 I received were wrong. One of which was the special engine mount socket that I needed to pull the engine this weekend, so that's not happening until next weekend now.

In the mean time, a tiny update for the sake of keeping it alive.


The heat exchanger for the intercooler is done and just needs to be finished up and painted. Will get pics next time I go to the garage.

The head is at the machine shop and should be done sometime this week (which is why I was hoping to bring the engine to my tuner this weekend).
I dropped by my tuner's shop earlier this week and snapped a couple pics of the shinies.

Oooooohh




Aaaaaahh




That's an expensive fucking shelf for how little them thar bits are.





Came home today and my blingy bars showed up. Went with these ones as I liked the shape better than the German ones I was looking at, they're $100 or so cheaper, and the German ones are the same ones on the Destroyer and I didn't want to be too similar.




Finish is ok. I'd be really annoyed if I was leaving them raw, little nicks and scratches all over. But they'll get painted black when everything else does.




Likely source of the nicks and scratches (shavings at the bottom). I gave you that much money and you couldn't even clean yer shit before packing it up?




Decent bit wider than the superbike bars I was running. Really hoping I don't have to have new brake and clutch lines made.




The mounting holes for the risers on the bottom of the bars are 90mm on center. The riser holes in the triple is 95.6mm. Luckily, the risers themselves have 10mm of material to work with on either side of the holes, and I'm thinking I want them shorter anyway. I'll throw em on the mill at work on Monday, shave them a bit and slot the holes.

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Couldn't let the weekend go by without getting something done, so I stuck a tank on there and mocked up the tail.
I grabbed this tank because it happened the be the closest one. I might chop up another tank and weld some bits on this one to cover up the frame gap, or I might use the old rat-rod tank from last year... not thinking about it yet, I'll let the rest of the bike come together first and see what it's asking for.

Lobbed a chunk off to start...





Now able to actually get up to the tank (those corners hit the frame), I spent a little time with a marker and a hand file and got it close enough. The tail should sit 6-7mm or so off the tank and the seat pad will probably hide the edge a bit anyway.




Then dug around the garage for something that would hold the tail in place, in the position I wanted it, without being too tippy. Went through like 5 things before settling on a medium sized pry bar. I really need to get some scrap door trim or something for stuff like this.

Anyway, I like it here.






Then I got to pondering about the subframe. I think it'll work out really well using the upper subframe mount as what will be the rear mount for my subframe, and the frame crossmember as the front mount. This would keep the entire thing encapsuled by the tail so no bars sticking out any which way, and as a bonus I'll be able to shave off the OEM lower subframe mount and probably will end up being able to blend the arc of the frame with the tail itself. Plus, it'll keep that Ohlins shock nice and visible, and vain as it may be I kinda like that.





Now I need to do some shopping around. The fancy billet bars are outshining the rest of the bar stuff... the OEM switchgear looks like absolute crap on there. If I were looking at someone else's bike and saw it set up that way I'd think "Man, all that work and thought put into everything else and he couldn't have done something about those handlebar controls?"... so I'm looking at options. The Motogadget m-switch looks nice, but seems to require an m-unit to function and those are stupidly expensive just for the sake of tarting up some switches.
The German folks I got some of the other bits from make some nice looking switch units as well, for a little cheaper than the m-switch even, but I need to order a significant amount of stuff from them to justify the $50 shipping.
Plus the throttle tube assembly. There are some decent ones out there but it seems that all of them are either sub-$20 and sketchy looking, or really well made and in the $100-150 range.

Hypermotard 1100S the weight-shavening.
Bandit 1200 cafe/fighter that will never get finished at this rate.
Turbo Busa v2 2017 Buildoff.
Turbo Busa V1.2 2016 Buildoff.
Turbo Busa v1.1
919 Hornet build'n'flip, lotsa electrical diagnostic info in there.
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Everything should be turbo'd, and what the fuck is a budget?
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